Faouzi - Art School Journey

[daceronine]

Yo, good work here man, you're getting the hang of gestures and postures! As for feedback, I'd say to try to limit the torso and hips circle to where the ribs and pelvis should be, without twisting it, since these are supposed to emulate those bones. The main action line is also intended to emulate the spine, so try to see where the line would attach at the base of the head and hips. Some of these like the last one you can see the spine is actually curved to the inside rather than outside:

[faouzi-brazza]

Many many thanks for your feedback here. All good points. I'll focus on what you say. I acutally like the 3D torso and pelvis. I'll try study this for the next set of work on this subject. More coming soon have a good day Daceronine !

[faouzi-brazza]

A step aside for some perspective study. First 1p perspective where I draw some 3D squares and rectangles.

First with guide and vanishing point (no shown on the picture here but present in my layout ^_^)

Next with only a vanishing point

Without any guide

As i said in the previous post I like the example provided by Daceronine and would like to draw the figures using 3D shapes.

Plus I should have basics to tackle the perspective class when it comes.

Cheers

[snakker]

Yo! a little late to the party but welcome aboard! Looking solid so far, keep at it mate

Things that help that you've probably heard before for the line quality is to work as much as possible with the shoulder and using as much of the canvas as possible. for example you can zoom into things and use the entire canvas in digital (as opposed to paper where sometimes things are small and can't be changed) or you can work with all your canvas and then transform something big into a small portion of your drawing. Another thing that helps immensely in allowing my brain to make any curves or lines well is giving me limits before hand. Like with figures, blocking in sometimes I will put a point or very faint line on the top or bottom or literally a big weird geometric shape that englobes the entire figure, giving me a top and bottom limit, placing a wrist joint before making an arm etc, kind of like the idea of the line exercises, as you place points for beginning and ending, it's easier to then make a line from point A to point B

cheers!

[faouzi-brazza]

Many thanks @snakker for your feedback.

All valuable feedback here. I indeed like the idea to delineate my space of work with line and geometric form. I'll do that for my next iteration and figure drawing.

I do not use the canvas efficiently indeed. I should take advantage of the digital aspect indeed. It makes total sense. I kind of restrain my self from doing this, because in the term 1 assignment, Marc mentioned to stay at 100% zoom.

But I should not be restrictive with that. I definitely need to use my shoulder more when I draw.

I'll post soon some perspective work I have been doing this week end.

Thanks load again for your review and feedback cheers mate

[faouzi-brazza]

Hey guys here are some studies I have done regarding perspective. The first three concerned 2P perspective with 4 sided polygons. Next three concerned cylinders. Pretty tough this one. First intuitively, then 1P then 2P. Finally, two studies on 3P perspective, without guides and by combining forms.

Next I'd like to circle back toward lines and will finish the 3P perspective by combining polygons and cylinders. Once done I switched back to figure drawing and will continue the curriculum.

Cheers

[faouzi-brazza]

Back with some studies, still around perspective (3P) trying to do some cluster of polygons + cylinders

I circle around perspective again from the perspective of lens and view. I tried to draw a table using long view, normal view and wide view with a fish eye effect (4 p perspective). I needed a guide for that but I found the exercice interesting.

I know that later in the course I'll have to draw a room in perspective, i'll try using these fundamentals to ramp up my perspective skills.

I'll be back on mannequins and figures drawing for the next studies.

[daceronine]

Nice works! I see some nice improvement in these works already

[faouzi-brazza]

Hello there ! I did some studies this week

First a set of three figure drawings. I'll do more soon definitely. I was quite ok doing the two first and was much faster. However, the last one is completely wasted LoL. I think I did not get the right perspective. For the next set of study, I'll try to take simpler references but draw the figure / mannequin from different perspectives. I'll ramp up the diffuclty progressively.

I started the proportion class.

Did the exercice with mannequin and as described by Marc in his video.

I liked his approach. I will drill more these proportions as I feel that one of my main weakness when drawing.

Cheers and enjoy the week end everyone

[faouzi-brazza]

Hey guys !

Here my fist attempt at gesture drawing. A bit embarrassed LoL. But hope that only improvements are coming for the future sessions. I just could not do 30 seconds was too stressed to draw any lines lol.

I guess the timed aspect of the exercice stresses me a bit.

I need to work on my proportion and line confidence. Plus grind a lot at this exercice plus the figure drawing with mannequin.

I cannot move on until I gain more confidence capturing movement in drawings.

Cheers everyone

[daceronine]

It's all good work! The proportons exercice is on point and the manequines on the left was a neat idea.

Gestures are definetly challenging at first, but you slowly get used to it, and eventually want to do even more xD

[softfloof]

It's definitely something to get used too q-q

your doing great! it's all part of the horrid process that is art. keep going at it 😺👍

[faouzi-brazza]

Here are some studies I have done this week.

A mix between figures / gesture-pose drawing. Counter-intuitively, the three for the bottom have drawn first. The three for the top have been made after seeing a video of Marc on youtube https://youtu.be/ccsnOhaofAI?feature=shared

I wrote some notes of my work to remember what immediately caught my attention.

Cheers all

The video was a game changer for me. I'll stick to his approach and the mannequin he advises to draw.

[faouzi-brazza]

I have been cooking a bit today I still need quite some time to draw such poses. But I am getting something little by little. After drawing a lot I have my hand shaking and my line quality just drops.

I still have difficulty to catch the right posture angle in from some references but it is getting better. i should trust my lines of action. I have a tendency to redraw them. not good

Cheers all

[daceronine]

Your progress on gestures has been impressive, going from just a few overlaid lines to capturing the forms and energy with very nice strokes.
I mean, look at this comparison, great progress for such a short timeframe

[faouzi-brazza]

Many thanks daceronine. But I have to say that I spent around 3 to 4 minutes for these ones. I try to reduce the time but I am still not doing great. I need to manage my stress better with shorter time

[faouzi-brazza]

Hello guys a set of studies again around gesture / pose drawing.

I start having a good feeling about global lines and proportion of the body. I still struggle capturing the right angle or perspective of a reference in my drawing.

I'll continue to do some and the along with the proportion guide exercice.

One question to the more experienced artist here: @snakker @daceronine Did you feel your art improved after starting to learn anatomy ?

I tried on my drawing to start drawing some body's features (face, hands, muscles) and the struggle was real ! To what extend the anatomy class helped you improving this aspect ?

Thx and enjoy your sunday !

[daceronine]

Heya, just got back home, so slowly catching up with everything online!

From my end I can without doubt say my work has improved as I've gone through anatomy classes. Just knowing what you are looking at in a reference helps you structure it in your drawing and when constructing a character knowing the main parts, and including them helps the overall work look better even if there are still gaps and refinement to be done.

I frequently do a few comparisons against myself to appreciate just how far we've come as we've moved through the different lessons.

Here's a quick comparison which works since it's the same character through the years of learning drawing.

Worth noting the first one was pretty much done with no references, as of 2022 I started using references more, but even within using these, as I understood anatomy better, I was able to give the overally parts better "form".

Another quick comparison with a different female character:

Lots of practice too of course. As you said, the struggle IS real. And even after all this time, I have a hard time working without references, but I've slowly made better use of them.

It's not all cherry of course. Many times I do work I'm just not satisifed with, recently I did a piece I didn't like as much as I couldn't help but notice the cracks. We are frequently our harshest critiques. It's really important to appreciate what we do even as we acknowledge what to improve.

[snakker]

Looking good mate, I especially like how you are including some foreshortened poses here

As per your question, first I really can't say I'm that experienced but I do have over a year here and I feel anatomy definitely helped me a lot. Head anatomy and proportions thought me a lot about the basic construction of the figure and kind of immersed me into the world of doing portrait paintings which has become something i enjoy doing a lot even though I feel I'm still a beginner in that respect. Body anatomy I feel will be more relevant once I really iron out some weaknesses I feel I have, probably once I finish term 4. As for now, I do have to say that anatomy has unlocked my understanding of the shading of the trunk both frontal and back views which is a lot honestly.

That said, you can totally make good convincing drawings of figures without deep anatomy knowledge if you have good reference, good technique and good proportions or construction. But anatomy helps you understand the underlying structure which is super useful especially if you want to do stuff from imagination down the line

cheers!

[uggievang]

I don't think I would worry too much about proportions right now. The main point of gesture drawings is to just find the flow of a pose getting the proportion and accuracy comes with experience and time. and you will eventually get to the anatomy lessons in the future, but even with the knowledge of anatomy if you don't have a good understanding on gesture every drawing will come off as stiff. Also I would say sometimes for the shorter timed gestures as long as you get the line of motion for example the legs you could just make a quick swish to imply the motion and just a simple line for the feet like this. oh and don't worry about not finishing the pose if you run out of time that's part of the process.

these are 30 secs each