ART WAR 5 | 2D Submissions | Art World War | France | MarineBoudry

[MarineBoudry]

Hello!
This is getting serious, the end of the challenge is soon!
Here is some update about the final illustration.
I spent some time trying to find the best pose for the character.
I really like the composition and the dynamic of the sketch C from my previous researches.
But....she didn't look like she was attacking ahah
So I tried to tweak a little without destroying the initial composition and idea.

Illustration is not where I am the best so if you have any advice to improve the image, I take!

Have a good week!!

[artanovha]

Hello! I like the concept and the look you are going for. Like you, I tried to go for a kicking pose but I found it to be kind of difficult to make it work! If it helps, what gave me some ideas to make them work was watching anime fighting scenes. It sounds silly, but why not draw from the experience of talented animators and their sequences to get some ideas.
I am aware that the end of the challenge is near, but you may want to try to add some more elements to increase the severity of her fight. The helicopters are a nice touch, but why not having them shoot towards your character? Just throwing some ideas out, but it works for a) letting the viewer be aware that this is a fight, there are things at play, and it is not just a girl jumping around. b) leading lines that help your composition, all those bullets are a nice and sensible excuse to play and push the composition further! Same goes with feathers, enemies, all the nice things you got going on in there.
Hope that helps!

[MarineBoudry]

Thank you very much for your idea!
I spent extra time trying to find out a way to apply your advice!
I am super late but I hope to be able to finish on time ahah

It's a little complicated to add extra stuff in the back because the space is not very big.
I kind of like the one with the smoke trails. I might actually go this way!

[stadnik.e.o]

The contest is extended until March 29, you have a lot of time. I really like your style and your work! I wish you success!

[stadnik.e.o]

I trained in Thai boxing, and to make such a blow, you need to put your hip forward and turn it in front (you have it turned back)

[MarineBoudry]

Waw great references!
This is so interesting, as for references I used Muay Thai flying kick style !

Honestly I could spend weeks redrawing the character ahahah
Thank you very much for your support, not so many people are talking here and getting feedbacks about my work is rare.
I believe this is my fault because I don't engage much with people! But I am working on it eheh

Have a nice day!

[stadnik.e.o]

It's my pleasure!!! I'm glad that I helped at least a little
You have excellent works, I really like them, and to admit, in my opinion, you are definitely a finalist of the competition!
I am not an expert in anatomy, but in order to achieve the correct Muay Thai flying kick, you need to turn the front hip forward (you can see it in the photo) and you don't need to redraw everything, but just take the far leg back a little and turn it around. I apologize for poking around in your drawing, but I think it looks a little better this way, and the body has dynamics in an arc.

And there is little communication, this is not your fault, but because of the language barrier.

[prinzmoana]

Ahhhh man it took me a while to spot the difference🤪

Besides langauge barriers, its sometimes hard to critique work, when you don't have a solution or tip yourself ^^

[studio-petercools]

that is one badass girl nice design and composition

[stadnik.e.o]

I didn’t really understand the last part of the message? I suggested the option where to redraw to a minimum. Otherwise, it would be better to completely redraw: tilt the body back, move the pelvis forward. In training, we were very scolded if we tilted the body forward when hitting and could not stand the hip.

[prinzmoana]

It was about the topic communication struggle...how fitting xD
I just wanted to mention, that sometimes people probably would like to give a helpful critique, but they can't because they also don't know how to make it better (at least this happens to me xD)... you know what I mean? yeah Whatever 😅

[stadnik.e.o]

Yes, understand

[MarineBoudry]

@studio-petercools Thank you! My aim was to make us feel like "oh damn that's some sexy chick coming on me, but shit! I'm dead!" ahahah

@prinzmoana I actually have exactly the same problem, my feedbacks always sound a little rough... I mean well but the way I say it is probably wrong.
Giving FB is tricky so that's why I totally get what you're talking about!

If you want to share anything, even so you're not sure how to solve it. Please feel free to do it here, we could then try to figure out together how to fix that!
Eventually, this is my work, you don't have any responsabilities in the way to fix things ahahah
The most important for me is to see what bothers. Then I can focus my mind in solving it. But if I don't know there is something wrong, I will move on

Thank you for speaking in this chat! It brings some life.

@stadnik.e.o
Stadnik this is great, I had a bit of hard time to find a way to solve the position without changing much the drawing, and this image will definitely be useful!!
thank you!

[MarineBoudry]

Alright, so, these past days I was cleaning the lineart.
I haven't change too much the position, but I did change the orientation of the legs (lightly)
I will do some more tests based on @stadnik.e.o image.
Also, I haven't draw the helicopter and rockets yet because I am not sure if it's working or not T-T. Like @artanovha suggested, it would bring more dynamism and it is true...
Let me know which version of the rockets you like the most !

[stadnik.e.o]

You have golden hands! The pelvis is still not sufficiently extended in front and turned, but even with minimal changes, the illustration looks great -the lines are mesmerizing! As for the helicopter and missiles, I like version 2 better!

[artanovha]

hello! I like the lines! I wanted to chime in some more ideas for you to maybe implement later. Mainly rendering ideas, the helis were a nice touch!

I took a bit of time to do a quick overpaint, I hope you do not mind but like I said, its just ideas. Given your initial color sketches, I thought the next light set up would be nice for your character if you want to pursue this scene further. I just did a levels to get everything down to a night scene and stablish a couple of light sources. I wanted to use the moon like a fill light, then use the red and blue you had going on in there to build a complementary color scheme. You could still go crazy with the hair and and the feathers, and buildings at the back. Since this may be a sort of futuristic kind of setting why not modify the tower on the back, or better yet, have many of them. My paint over is quick, could still push further the values but hopefully you get the idea! #3 light is the rim light from the back, a bit unclear with my arrow but still.

Hope that helps!

[MarineBoudry]

Ho waw thank you all so much!
@stadnik.e.o you're compliments about my work is gold for me, I never had the opportunity to know if my work is seen as good or not and what you say goes straight to my artist heart! This is a lot of pressure too, I hope I will be able to give something nice at the end.
About the pelvis, I totally agree! Initially it was more to the front but I got a second thought and moved it.
I will put it as it was! I'm glad you pointed that out ahahah
I am sorry I didn't add numbers to the images with the rockets... by number 2 I am assuming you mean the one with 2 rockets. is this correct?
I feel like the rockets are definitely needed this is a great bonus

@artanovha, thank you for your time, I appreciate a lot. I would like to clarify the position of the moon in your test, is it behind the character? I was actually thinking about the blue flames as a main light, the moon as a rim and the fire as a fill.
So I guess we are on the same page! This is great, I feel more confident about the light setup now

I am so happy about your feedbacks and feel really motivated!
I wish you a good day/evening

[artanovha]

I left it off screen! I mean, its just a personal choice. I like the whole moon in scene, very animu, but it its behind we loose a potential fill light to light up a bit of the face. You could also just not have it, make it more dramatic but since part of the character´s appeal is, well, she is a pretty girl here to kick some butt I figured why not light up the face a little bit.
One suggestion if you wanna test out different light sources is to have it on a separate layer. That helps me quite a bit when it comes to not re paint stuff, hence making things faster.
That is mostly my ambient specular layer. I start with a base color (ambient color), then paint this on another layer on top having my ambient color selected. If I screw up, I just erase. Same thing goes for your ambient occlusions (or shadows) main light, your rim light and all! Separating light phenomena's in layers makes it so that you just need to erase stuff you do not like, also making cast shadows a breeze considering you just go to the layer of the light, erase the shadow area and done!
Weathering, combat wounds, FX... You name it! Hope that helps, it certainly helps on my process and keeps you from repainting stuff. Also since you have already a neat outline having the ambient color as selections to fill your lines makes it all the more easier for you to paint and erase light, just like in reality happens.
Edit: I am not sure if its okay to show my work on another post, just wanted to clarify what I suggest you to do so you do not repaint a lot and save time. In case it is wrong to do this I can edit this out and erase my image.

[MarineBoudry]

@artanovha Thank you for sharing ! I like your character, very creative and I love the mix of materials, metal, fire and fabric, it's awesome!

I worked more on the image, trying to figure out the overall lighting and mood of the scene.
I want to improve it more but since it's a rough that i will use as reference, I think it will do the work as it is.

For the lighting setup I have '
- the main light from the fire behind kicking feet
-rim light from the moon
-warmer light for the environment light, which is from the fire (I applied it only in the shadows)
and another rim light whish is blue and come from the fire on the back feet.
I made too versions
the version 01 is warm

and the version 02 is cold

I think the end result is not very unified so I'm gonna try to fix it while I work on the final image.
And about the tower, I kind of like the idea of adding more that @artanovha proposed. It is my bad, this tower was eventually not so visible but it is supposed to be the Eiffel Tower, so if I add more...I think it won't make much sense anymore.
But I will probably made the tower more distinctive!

[stadnik.e.o]

Yes yes number two is where 2 missiles are. I think a large rocket is very distracting to look at, and two small ones are just right. Honestly, the versions are faintly distinguishable by the shades, but for some reason I like the colder one. The tower is now very poorly recognized, I would make it in one tone in the distance, a silhouette, without light and shadow