For now, I figure I'll throw some of my older sketches/pieces in here. All of these were referenced. I kind of feel like I used to be better at reference sketching a long time ago but I may have just put more time into those sketches.

Here's some stuff referencing the manga Negima that I did in 2011 or 2012.



And one from Ai Yori Aoshi around the same time

Here's a few reference sketches that I did in 2015 or 2016 (with references included since I still have them)




And finally some stuff that I did in 2019. (with the last two having references included)




I didn't really do much digitally until about 2021 but just remembered that I could include a bit of that too.




Anyways, sorry about the big art dump here. I just was looking back through what I've done and thought it'd be neat to sort of have a 'this is what I've done in the years before the art school program'. Mostly anything I could feel halfway good about was a reference sketch. I would like to get much better with references, particularly references that aren't drawings because those are more challenging but super helpful. And I need to become MUCH more comfortable without references. I can hardly draw anything that I'd be happy about without references so I'm going to make it a point to regularly just free draw. Also, I would like to get way better at digital art because I feel like all the stuff I did in a sketchbook tended to come out better.

Thanks! Someday I hope to put out some solid manga and comic art that isn't just a 1:1 reference.

As for my music, it's been a few years since I did a lot of fiddling around with production and theory but here's some that I made. For a while, I was messing with chiptunes. I didn't make a ton but I got comfortable making them at least.

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yooo these sound awesome! I rly like the 2nd one! you write melodies so well! :smiley: do you have any tips?

Mine sound kinda meh XD

Here's my latest one which is only sorta kinda going in the direction of "epic": https://soundcloud.com/mitsuki555/uphill-battle-at-the-top-of-the-world?si=b3730cf77c8f4aa6b05af4624f9e0497&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Been trying to surpass my first song for like 2 years now and this latest song is the one to do it but i can tell there is a lot i still need to work on :3

I've been meaning to try to make some Fate/Zero-ish epic music when I got back to music production (and since that's now, I guess maybe that'll be soon) but I haven't messed with it much.

I have a few suggestions though without going super in-depth or anything (and do keep in mind that I'm far from a pro myself).

The first suggestion had me dig up this video that I saw some years ago. I think you could really iterate on the rhythms of your melodies to spice them up. It'll make a big difference. The instruments all feel like they're doing their assigned thing but they could be spiced up and I really think the way to do that here would be to chop up your rhythm some and mess around with it a bit. Don't be afraid to really vary things up. You can always put them back after if you feel like it doesn't work.

The second tip is something I feel like I've heard a lot from other musicians going back to the first time I heard it in college and that is basically to have a mix of simple and complex. Not too much of either. And by complex I don't mean something super technical but if you have a melody that really pops, then the backing instrumentals or percussion or whatever else can be simpler to emphasize it. A bit of mixing aptitude can help with this too but what I think you could do is pick an instrument in your composition and add some layers to what it's doing. Let the other simpler parts of the song be the basic foundation that elevates those one or maybe two really interesting parts. And the parts that jump out don't have to be the same instrument for the whole song. You could alternate the points of interest.

Now, I feel like there's an instrument here that flirts with that whole idea and that's the guitar. At 22 seconds and again at 44 seconds, it really feels like the guitar is ready to really capture the listener's attention but it's brief. I really like those parts though. I'm not saying to 'make the whole song like this or that part' but I think those parts really work and it's because there's some interesting instrumental bit that jumps out unexpectedly and captures my attention. It's doing something different for that moment and I can't help but focus on it. So when you're composing I would suggest trying to decide which instruments have the supporting part and which have the lead part in each section. If every part is just going crazy then it'll sound pretty messy but if every part is just playing its own assigned role and everything feels expected, then the song will just sound too safe.

Also, this isn't really specific to the song but I really love studying music theory and I feel like it really helps a lot with my composition. I've bought my share of theory books and Udemy courses on music theory and FL Studio and whatnot but I'm sure there are also some great YouTube series that teach music theory from basic to advance if you aren't already studying.

Oh, and just like with art, find references. Like if you want to write epic orchestral sounding music, find that in movies or anime or video games or on Spotify. Where ever. Like if you like big orchestral pieces with maybe some more modern sounding guitar mixed in, listen to Fate/Zero's OST for example. There are a few examples below. And really focus on the instruments. Think about which ones are driving the piece and grabbing interest in a given moment and which ones are supporting. It might not be the same throughout a whole song.

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EDIT: also the simple/complex thing can apply to parts of a song too. Like if the verses are more complex, the chorus can be simpler. If your chorus is busy, your bridge can ease things up before going back into the chorus again. There's rhythm to composition.

Oooh Yes!! Thank you soo much for the in depth tips! Screenshotting this!

And yea! Hiroyuki Sawano is a great producer/composer! I have a list of songs to study and lots of his songs are on there :smiley:

Edit o yea! I have seen that first video you linked before :smiley: tho totes forgot about it XD

glad to see you here. We all start somewhere glad to see you are taking steps towards your art journey I cant wait to see more!

No problem. Also, your epic orchestral-sounding stuff was super reverby in a way that reminded me of some Post Rock music. And the snippets of guitar that hit for me sounded a bit postrock so perhaps I'm biased. Definitely check out bands like Explosions In The Sky, This Will Destroy You and Toe if you've any interest at all in the genre. You might vibe with them if you like those sound profiles on your instruments. The genre is less 'epic orchestra' and more just math rock type stuff without vocals but I love it. These bands usually put out slower, more melancholy or thoughtful sounding tracks though. It's a type of music that often gets used in movies nowadays or even in an occasional surprise anime like with Chainsaw Man.

I was just watching one of Marc's videos on observation in art and the same applies to music. Don't forget to just sit and REALLY listen to music sometimes. All different genres. That's where you'll get your ideas and develop your ear.

Welcome to the forums! Bests of luck in this art journey!

I wouldn't worry too much about using references. I think all of us, even pros, keep using references to some degree. Whenever you see someone working "from imagination", it's usually because they have used references so much, they have pretty much memorized it, and are using the reference from their mind, which simply comes with practice.

The key is usually knowing how to use references (mixing, taking gestures, perspective, etc).

Oh, thank you! I do get that references are still important. I just mean that I want to be comfortable not making like 1:1 reference art. Being able to synthesize references and also doing some of the work without spending more time than necessary looking at the references. Except when needed. I just want to not freeze up when I'm not making art of other peoples' art/stock photos/whatever. It's a pretty drastic difference in quality for me but like you said, it really is probably a product of just not having observed/worked with the references enough yet.

Gotcha, yea, that makes sense. There is no doubt you'll be able to, it's all about consistency and practice. Looking forward to seeing your work!